BMW R1200RT/R1250RT Forum

Leaving on June 4, 2016 did a 9,700m trip from San Luis Obispo & Paradise CA to the tip of Cape Cod and back, and had a total blast save my brother's crash OTW to Cody, WY on our return ride.  We made reservations the day before each stop, and this gave us the flexibility to change cou...

Leaving on June 4, 2016 did a 9,700m trip from San Luis Obispo & Paradise CA to the tip of Cape Cod and back, and had a total blast save my brother's crash OTW to Cody, WY on our return ride.  We made reservations the day before each stop, and this gave us the flexibility to change cour...

I give up again. Good job, you're slowly learning that when you have nothing meaningful to say beyond out of hand dissing what someone else reports as their experience you should give up trying to sell them on your opinion of what they need.  Good job. I get it:  RTman10 is the Tr...

Let's see, here is essence of your positions on this matter: 1.  Since you 'mastered' what you can do w/o using a clutch in 1959 that equates to what you can do w/ 2014+ technology.  Invalid comparison!  In 1959 likely one might TRY clutchless shifting, but dedicate to it ...

Yes I can do clutchless up changes and mastered it in about 1959.  Don't need to bother any more though.  You say little or no dive.  That's nothing to do with your gear changes, it's called telelever front suspension.  But joking aside it just not possible to ge...

No you can't.  But as it seems you have not tried the system how do you know . OK, back at you:  have you MASTERED clutch-less upshifting on a non-SAP enabled RTW yet?  If not, then you are in the very same boat.  You would have had to own and ride one considerab...

richardbd wrote:Funny how using something an alter your previous prejudices...

It gets even funnier when you discover you can do the same thing w/o SAP and bonus, it doesn't cost a thing 

Strange how they silently go in to 1st after the first startup, all the mechanicals are the same the only variation is the oil viscosity. I think that modern very thin oils are there to assist low fuel consumption and thereby emissions and this is prioritised over a quiet gear change. Whilst it's n...

If you had it you wouldn't want to go without again.  Suggest you borrow a demo with it and then get it retro fitted.  Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Thanks for the warning, I'll pass.  Once you've mastered upshifting w/o the clutch, w/o paying for SAP, and if you're ha...

But again as I said, do whatever you want. Oh, OK thanks for the permission.  I understand the principle you're getting at, but truly, the only significant risk is if your clutch is completely out of adjustment, and they don't suddenly go out of adjustment.  I've done it for 16K m...

Its not about cranking the engine, its about if its in first gear and a wet clutch and cold,  the bike will sometimes jump forward when starting. Nope, not when you first roll the bike backwards IN GEAR a few inches.  That is adequate w/ RTW to get sufficient separation. ...

Just try changing down with no clutch or Shift Assist. Right--w/o SAP upshifting is pretty much all you can do.  If one is inclined to pre-load the shifter for downshifts no doubt you've accidentally done this before, and it's jerky and undesirable.  Fortunately, my left hand work...

Casbar wrote:
With a  wet clutch you should never start the engine in 1st gear from cold

Sure you can, doesn't hurt a thing.  It's smart to roll the bike a few inches in gear first and after that the additional load over what it takes crank the engine is absolutely inconsequential.

So it's just a matter of the bank-optimized ABS Pro. Never missed it with 'regular' ABS on my 800GT - now trying to decide if I "can't live without it" on a new RT...  ;) . Plus Ebony Black vs Carbon Black...Oh the agony!! I moved up from F800GT also w/ 26K miles to a new '16 RT....

I had an fjr for a year, admittedly not the latest version , and traded it for an RT Engine was good but only 5 speed box , always looking for 6th gear. Handled ok ish but rear shock was hopeless two up. Yam also advised against using top box and panniers together. My k16 was a far superior bike in...