Bowing out

[MacJ]

Talking of 'Bowing Out', I've just been watching 'Lord' Adonis on Good Morning Britain telling us that we need another referendum before we decide to leave the EU.
For God's sake we've had the referendum, we voted to leave! Get on with it.


There that should keep it going a while.

[k9doc]

Here we go! As thread hijacks seem to be 'de rigueur'.
Tell Barnier and his mates to 'Foxtrot Oscar' is what I say.  >:(

[LongRanger]

Can't let this one go. So you would rather ride with someone who is just coming back to biking and clearly by his own admission and the videos is in no way yet an experienced rider, than some of his critics, who were pointing out where he was going wrong (he did ask for people to comment) and are very experienced advanced riders. Some of the riders who commented are also IAM or RoSPA tutors and professional motorcyclists. I know who I would rather ride with.

Correct. I've made week long journeys with both and experienced riders tend to take more changes because they can. I've learned to never assume an experienced rider, regardless of credentials, will always do the right thing, set a good example or consider their own fallibilities. Everyone makes mistakes. The beginner admits this, the others are reluctant to do so.

An example from another area of life, underground coal mining. Who causes the most accidents? Not the beginner. The ones who have been there 7-10 years or so. Shortcuts, assuming too much. I've followed experienced riders and they do stupid things, reckless things because they can recover and they have gotten away with their behavior for too long. Beginners will make mistakes because they do not know or are lacking in confidence or experience. I can see and anticipate where the beginner will present a problem. An experienced rider can create a problem for me and others unexpectedly usually by pushing the envelope.

In 50 years too many experiences have left me with less respect for titles and miles covered.

[Casbar]

Correct. I've made week long journeys  with both and experienced riders tend to take more changes because they can. I've learned to never assume an experienced rider, regardless of credentials, will always do the right thing, set a good example or consider their own fallibilities. Everyone makes mistakes. The beginner admits this, the others are reluctant to do so.

Well as we will never ride together, it will never be an issue for me, so fill your boots  8)

[guest4389]

A GOOD experienced rider will not take any chances or create problems for anyone else & should be excellent with observations & hazard perception
I know some bad & some good experienced riders you can not tar everybody with the same brush  A good rider will know if they have made a mistake & lean from it 

[simbo]

There'll be a lot of paranoid people if there's ever a group ride  :))

[k9doc]

There'll be a lot of paranoid people if there's ever a group ride  )

One would have to give a f**k surely to get paranoid.  :whistle:

[simbo]

One would have to give a f**k surely to get paranoid.  :whistle:

I haven't had any 'f**k's' to give up to now,, I've just looked in today's vegetable patch and that was empty too? Tomorrow and the foreseeable future doesn't look to be bearing much fruit or veg either!   

[guest5112]

I can fully understand your vegetable patch being devoid of vegetables

[STeinar]

Hello everyone


I think it's time to close this topic - NOW!
Like so many other threads or discussions - this has gone to far.


STeinar

[Sprintgull]

Hello everyone


I think it's time to close this topic - NOW!
Like so many other threads or discussions - this has gone to far.


STeinar

+1

[guest4389]

I don't give a f**k either

[Ganesh]

Hi STeinar, agree this thread has gone a little too far and probably needs to be off-line now.

[Oldbrook]

+1

[k9doc]

I think it's time to close this topic - NOW!

STeinar

Seems not for some folk.  :not: