Re: R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:54 pm
Imitation is the best form of flattery.
DaygloDavid wrote: Imitation is the best form of flattery.
Probably not when it pops out as a TT.
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R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
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Re: R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:01 pm
Re: R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:08 pm
"From the cockpit, the Triumph appears to have been heavily influenced by the outgoing model*.
The twin dial instruments are scarily close in design to the older model BMW as is the headlight cluster and general styling, minus the sticky out cylinders, of course."
* The outgoing model being the TC RT.
The twin dial instruments are scarily close in design to the older model BMW as is the headlight cluster and general styling, minus the sticky out cylinders, of course."
* The outgoing model being the TC RT.
Re: R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:48 pm
So,in summary, while Triumph were busy copying the outgoing RT, BMW were busy developing a new liquid cooled model, thus maintaining the gap.
I think the TT is a good bike with a great engine but heavy, and does not carry it's weight well at low speed.
My best riding buddy tested the outgoing RT v TT extensively and ended up with the TT. He says he is not a fan of the boxer engine, but loves having a stint on my RT LC. He only gets one however when he is on his Street Triple, which I like to have a run on, but not his TT which just does not give me the urge to ride it.
Neither of us bought brand new and the TT gave him more for his budget and decided against the outgoing RT in favour of the TT, whereas I could stretch a bit further due to a better trade in deal for my previous bike and could afford a recall 2014 liquid cooled.
I think all the reports/reviews suggest that the TT came close to the outgoing RT but has been left in the dust by the LC.
So if you can meet the cost and like the boxer...it's a no brainer.
I think the TT is a good bike with a great engine but heavy, and does not carry it's weight well at low speed.
My best riding buddy tested the outgoing RT v TT extensively and ended up with the TT. He says he is not a fan of the boxer engine, but loves having a stint on my RT LC. He only gets one however when he is on his Street Triple, which I like to have a run on, but not his TT which just does not give me the urge to ride it.
Neither of us bought brand new and the TT gave him more for his budget and decided against the outgoing RT in favour of the TT, whereas I could stretch a bit further due to a better trade in deal for my previous bike and could afford a recall 2014 liquid cooled.
I think all the reports/reviews suggest that the TT came close to the outgoing RT but has been left in the dust by the LC.
So if you can meet the cost and like the boxer...it's a no brainer.
Re: R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:01 pm
Does that suggest that the LC engine has lost some of it's "Boxer Twin" character & is more free revving.BMjoe64 wrote:He says he is not a fan of the boxer engine, but loves having a stint on my RT LC.
That's probably the reason why I'd look at a TT if I was to replace my TC RT, rather than the LC RT, I like the more Retro Styling etc.BMjoe64 wrote:I think all the reports/reviews suggest that the TT came close to the outgoing RT but has been left in the dust by the LC.
Re: R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:45 pm
DaygloDavid wrote: Does that suggest that the LC engine has lost some of it's "Boxer Twin" character & is more free revving.
Err, no, more likely just that he is a bit envious that he has a TT and not the LC RT.
Re: R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:16 pm
Our Gee wrote: Nice uncluttered pictures David. They do give good view of what the bikes actually look like. My own judgement in order of preference is as follows. 1st and best by a country mile, Twincam RT. 2nd Triumph Trophy althought the fairing lower section and section where it joins the upper looks a bit "after market" to me. Last I'm afraid is the WC RT. The fairing looks unfinished like someone forgot about the lower section, but knowing BMW they'll probably fill the gap in after a year or two.
Try riding all three, not just looking at them - then you'll discover you got them in exactly the wrong order!
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Re: R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:17 pm
DaygloDavid wrote:
To paraphrase Steve Redgrave...
If I ever consider riding a gold-coloured bike, RT or otherwise, you have my permission to shoot me!
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Re: R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:02 am
I owned an Explorer (same engine).
Quite top heavy, as the engine is tall, and mounted high in the frame.
The RT eats it. MUCH better bike.
Quite top heavy, as the engine is tall, and mounted high in the frame.
The RT eats it. MUCH better bike.
Re: R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:01 am
Our Gee wrote: Nice uncluttered pictures David. They do give good view of what the bikes actually look like. My own judgement in order of preference is as follows. 1st and best by a country mile, Twincam RT. 2nd Triumph Trophy althought the fairing lower section and section where it joins the upper looks a bit "after market" to me. Last I'm afraid is the WC RT. The fairing looks unfinished like someone forgot about the lower section, but knowing BMW they'll probably fill the gap in after a year or two.
If I had bought last 6 or 7 bikes based on looks then I would not have bought the ones I did. It's about the ride, not the looks.
Re: R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:15 am
And then you do buy the best looking one.
Re: R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:29 pm
RTman10 wrote: And then you do buy the best looking one.
Well I would agree that I have bought the best looking RT (2014 LC) but there are better looking tourers out there, just that they don't ride anywhere near as good as the RT LC.
Re: R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:07 pm
Which other Tourers would you suggest are better looking than the current LC RT.BMjoe64 wrote:Well I would agree that I have bought the best looking RT (2014 LC) but there are better looking tourers out there.
Re: R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:50 pm
DaygloDavid wrote: Which other Tourers would you suggest are better looking than the current LC RT.
Most of the bunch, eg.,GTR, FJR, K1600, Guzzi Norge , Pan and even the TT1200 all have better lines than ANY RT of recent times, not just the LC.
The fact that the boxer engine has cylinders which stick out the side doesn't help creation of aesthetic smooth lines, but as my wife often reminds me, looks are not everything.
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Re: R1200 RT vs TT1200 SE
Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:06 pm
Should've gone to spec savers!