BMW R1200RT/R1250RT Forum

I just bought a Haynes manual for one of my cars. I totally agree that the quality of the materials has declined over time - I have several older ones which have the hardback cover and much better quality paper. Having said all of that, what is important to me is the contents and I don't really see the new one being significantly less robust than the old one. In fact being able to fold it over backwards is a good thing as it reduced the space the manual takes up.

As to the prices ... as with most everything else they are only ever going to go in one direction.

Paggers wrote:As to the prices ... as with most everything else they are only ever going to go in one direction.

The XJ650 manual was at a sale price of £14.24, saving £4.75, https://haynes.com/en-gb/yamaha-xj650-7 ... air-manual

The RT manuals are also discounted from £24.99 to £18.74, https://haynes.com/en-gb/bmw-r1200-dohc ... wins-13-16

Could be because there are more books than bikes in the world now. :enjoying:

Hominid wrote:I was planning on buying the shop manual.
Does the Haynes manual contain any additional material a bmw noob might benefit from?

If you have any interest in knowing how your bike works & saving a few bob on service costs, then yes, IMO, a Haynes manual is a good investment.

I have had the Haynes manual for about 3 months now it is way more comprehensive than just basic stuff and for the money it's a very useful tool. Paper is megacrap though.

And lets not forget the essential translations when using a Haynes Manual[/size]
Haynes: Rotate anticlockwise.Translation: Clamp with molegrips (adjustable wrench) then beat repeatedly with hammer anticlockwise. You do know which way is anticlockwise, don't you?
Haynes: Should remove easily.Translation: Will be corroded into place ... clamp with adjustable wrench then beat repeatedly with a hammer.
Haynes: Remove small retaining clip. Translation: Take off 15 years of stubborn crud, it's there somewhere.
Haynes: This is a snug fit. Translation: You will skin your knuckles! ... Clamp with adjustable wrench then beat repeatedly with hammer.
Haynes: This is a tight fit. Translation: Not a hope in hell matey! ... Clamp with adjustable wrench then beat repeatedly with hammer.
Haynes: As described in Chapter 7...Translation: That'll teach you not to read through before you start, now you are looking at scarey photos of the inside of a gearbox.
Haynes: Locate ...Translation: This photo of a hex nut is the only clue we're giving you.
Haynes: Pry...Translation: Hammer a screwdriver into...
Haynes: Undo...Translation: Go buy a tin of WD40 (catering size).
Haynes: Ease ... Translation: Apply superhuman strength to ...
Haynes: Retain tiny spring...Translation: "Jeez what was that, it nearly had my eye out"!
Haynes: Press and rotate to remove bulb...Translation: OK - that's the glass bit off, now fetch some good pliers to dig out the bayonet part and remaining glass shards.
Haynes: Lightly...Translation: Start off lightly and build up till the veins on your forehead are throbbing then re-check the manual because what you are doing now cannot be considered "lightly".
Haynes: Weekly checks...Translation: If it isn't broken don't fix it!
Haynes: Routine maintenance...Translation: If it isn't broken... it's about to be!
Haynes: One spanner rating (simple).Translation: Your Mum could do this... so how did you manage to botch it up?
Haynes: Two spanner rating.Translation: Now you may think that you can do this because two is a low, tiny, ikkle number... but you also thought that the wiring diagram was a map of the Tokyo underground (in fact that would have been more use to you).
Haynes: Three spanner rating (intermediate). Translation: Make sure you won't need your car for a couple of days and that your AA cover includes Home Start.
Haynes: Four spanner rating. Translation: You are seriously considering this aren't you, you pleb!
Haynes: Five spanner rating (expert).Translation: OK - but don't expect us to ride it afterwards!!!
Translation #2: Don't ever carry your loved ones in it again and don't mention it to your insurance company.
Haynes: If not, you can fabricate your own special tool like this...Translation: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Haynes: Compress...Translation: Squeeze with all your might, jump up and down on, swear at, throw at the garage wall, then search for it in the dark corner of the garage whilst muttering "bugger" repeatedly under your breath.
Haynes: Inspect...Translation: Squint at really hard and pretend you know what you are looking at, then declare in a loud knowing voice to your wife "Yep, as I thought, it's going to need a new one"!
Haynes: Carefully...Translation: You are about to cut yourself!
Haynes: Retaining nut...Translation: Yes, that's it, that big spherical blob of rust.
Haynes: Get an assistant...Translation: Prepare to humiliate yourself in front of someone you know.
Haynes: Turning the engine will be easier with the spark plugs removed. Translation: However, starting the engine afterwards will be much harder. Once that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach has subsided, you can start to feel deeply ashamed as you gingerly refit the spark plugs.
Haynes: Refitting is the reverse sequence to removal.Translation: But you swear in different places.
Haynes: Locate securing bolt. Translation: Remember that worrying noise when you drove along the A38 last summer? That's where you'll find the securing bolt.
Haynes: Prise away plastic locating pegs...Translation: Snap off...
Haynes: Remove drum retaining pin.Translation: Break every screwdriver in your box.
Haynes: Using a suitable drift or pin-punch...Translation: The biggest nail in your tool box isn't a suitable drift!
Haynes: Everyday toolkit Translation: Ensure you have an RAC Card & Mobile Phone
Haynes: Apply moderate heat...Translation: Placing your mouth near it and huffing isn't moderate heat.
Translation #2: Heat up until glowing red, if it still doesn't come undone use a hacksaw.
Translation #3: Unless you have a blast furnace, don't bother. Clamp with adjustable wrench then beat repeatedly with hammer.
Haynes: Index Translation: List of all the things in the book bar the thing you want to do!
Haynes: Remove oil filter using an oil filter chain wrench or length of bicycle chain. Translation: Stick a screwdriver through it and beat handle repeatedly with a hammer.
Haynes: Replace old gasket with a new one. Translation: I know I've got a tube of Krazy Glue around here somewhere.
Haynes: Grease well before refitting.Translation: Spend an hour searching for your tub of grease before chancing upon a bottle of washing-up liquid (dish soap). Wipe some congealed washing up liquid from the dispenser nozzle and use that since it's got a similar texture and will probably get you to Halfords to buy some Castrol grease.
Haynes: See illustration for details Translation: None of the illustrations notes will match the pictured exploded, numbered parts. The unit illustrated is from a previous or variant model. The actual location of the unit is never given.
Haynes: Drain off all fluids before removing cap. Translation: Visit bathroom, spit on ground, remove baseball cap in order to scratch head in perplexity.
Haynes: Top up fluids. Translation: Drink 2 cans of beer and call out a mobile mechanic to undo the damage.

There is a wind chill factor of -5 C here this morning and they have threatened freezing drizzle.  That has just made my day though.  :enjoying: :enjoying:

RTman10 wrote: There is a wind chill factor of -5 C here this morning and they have threatened freezing drizzle.  That has just made my day though.  :enjoying: :enjoying:

+1 Sat on a very slow train into London wetting myself with laughter! Getting very odd looks! Thank you  :)) :))