2012 Twin Cam - Service Costs

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I'll stick with the higher spec. 10w-50 fully synthetic API SL, which has a greater viscosity range for cold starting, than the 15w-50 semi synthetic API SJ.

If it must have Shell on the tin, this stuff should do, http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-69342-shell ... e-oil.aspx

http://www.shell.co.uk/motorist/oils-lu ... hQaW04aw==
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Looks like both the BMW Advantec Pro (made by Shell) & Shell Advanced Ultra 15w-50 oils are the same spec.

Buy the Shell stuff & save yourself some money.

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"BMW Motorrad Advantec Pro SAE 15W50 meets industry certifications (API SM, JASO MA-2)".

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Reading the label on the back, API SM, JASO MA-2, same as BMW oil.
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BMW NineT's have the same engine & therefore oil as a TC RT, http://www.ninetowners.com/forum/engine ... using.html

Reading the thread, most folks just use what they prefer or can get hold of, providing it meets the BMW specs.
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BMW 15W50 Advantec Pro, http://www.sierrabmwonline.com/product_ ... 5963-p-231

"BMW’s ADVANTEC from Shell

Shell has been chosen by BMW AG as its only recommended global supplier for factory-fill and aftermarket engine oils for BMW Motorrad. From the start of 2015, Shell will produce and supply BMW’s branded engine oils available to customers at BMW Group’s network of more than 3,500 dealers, in more than 140 countries. These products will meet the latest BMW engine specifications and are underpinned by Shell’s PurePlus Technology."


http://www.shell.co.uk/motorist/oils-lu ... ycles.html
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DaygloDavid wrote: From the start of 2015, Shell will produce and supply BMW’s branded engine oils available to customers at BMW Group’s network of more than 3,500 dealers, in more than 140 countries.
This year (2016) my dealer still sold me Castrol.
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This year (2016) my dealer still sold me Castrol.


Quote him the above and ask him why.
Go into any other dealer and ask for a bottle of it for a top up you won't get any.
On top of that the Castrol stuff was always difficult to find off the shelf anywhere.
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Both BMW Advantec 5w-40 for LC's & 15w-50 for TC's are available from Motorworks, http://www.motorworks.co.uk/vlive/Shop/ ... gine%20oil

BMW 5W40 Advantec Ultimate, http://www.sierrabmwonline.com/product_ ... 958-p-1910
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Castrol Power 1 Racing 4T 5w-40, http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-77367-castr ... e-oil.aspx

Castrol Power 1 4T 15w-50, http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-79229-castr ... e-oil.aspx

Good to know that Castrol is still recommended & used by BMW dealers.
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Interesting that looking at the Rider's Manuals for an LC, on the rear cover page, the BMW recommendations have changed from Castrol to Advantec, the lastest edition doesn't have any recommendation.

If your LC Manual has Castrol recommended & the BMW dealer uses Advantec, how would that stand with a warranty claim.

The last, 4th edition of the TC Rider's Manual, recommended Castrol.
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Things move on. 
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On my 2007 Hexhead which partially seized on both cylinders after 6 months & 10,000 miles,
the BMW dealers only measured the quantity of oil which came out of the engine, they didn't analyse it.
I'd be surprised if they did, that they could determine the oil manufacturer.

On top of that, I'd changed the oil at 3,000 miles & 9,000 miles myself, either side of the 6,000 miles service, this was recorded in the Rider's Manual.
I suppose BMW Warranty would only see what was done & documented at the BMW dealers.
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Benchmark wrote:This year (2016) my dealer still sold me Castrol.
The 09/2014 4th edition Riders' Manual recommends Advantec.

The 08/2015 5th edition Rider's Manual doesn't have any recommendation.

Which Rider's Manual have you got.
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DaygloDavid wrote:The BMW Service + Engine oil change, with filter is £65.52, I've been quoted £68.00, seems reasonable.

The Valve Clearance check is £37.44 + Engine synchronization at £74.88 = £112.32, will be interesting to see what my local BMW dealer comes back with.
Have now got a cost of £88.84 for the valve clearance check & engine synchronization, adding this to the £68.00 for the oil + filter, plus final drive oil change FOC,
the total labour only cost is £156.84.

Based on this cost, will be booking the bike in with Cooper Sunderland for a service within the next month.
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DaygloDavid wrote:If the unit cost (AW) is 10.00, would this be an hours labour at £93.60 inc. VAT.
Cooper BMW at Sunderland's hourly rate is £98.00 inc. VAT, this is based on a unit cost (AW) of 12.00.
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DaygloDavid wrote: DIY, you know it's done properly.

Not if I do it!


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